Obama's Peace of $hit Prize

Krieg

Renaissance_Man

I agree, my friend! I was pissed to find this out this morning! I feel like they gave him the prize because he is "not Bush"! Blah... This just makes me think much less of the Nobel prize now. Its like anybody can get it tomorrow - just give a talk at some big convention and say "peace"... Not that Obama couldn't win the Nobel prize - he might grow to be worthy of it, but now! so soon! after what?!?!!? What peace did he work on?!! Whatever... Congrats to him...

kuzi16

jsnake

Amen! Nobel lost their credibility when they gave an award to Al Gore for his Mr. Rodgers land of make believe global warming. This should surprise no one. It is a kick in the balls to all the legitimate awards that came before them. Makes me want to puke. Barak Huessein is a disgrace and a traitor. On Interstate 70 by my house is a huge yellow and red billboard with the sickle and hammer. It says "How do you like your change Obama Nation? Your First and Second Ammendment Rights are in jeopardy. Prepare yourself now. Live Free or Die" I have been trying to get a good picture of it. Sorry for the long paragraph I am on my Blackberry.

jlzimmerman

He was President for 11 or 12 days when the nominations for the prize had to be in (February 1st). What does that tell you?

Renaissance_Man

jlzimmerman:

He was President for 11 or 12 days when the nominations for the prize had to be in (February 1st). What does that tell you?

Seriously??!!!! This just made me even more angry - thanks Zimmerman!

kuzi16

Krieg

bigharpoon

Krieg

Have you heard ANY of his speeches over seas? His wife was quoted as saying "for the FIRST time ever she is proud of her country..." I stand by my comments.

Krieg

jlzimmerman

rdnstn

This was total Bulls**t! I couldn't believe it when I heard it and was even more upset when I found out about the nomination deadline. Not only that but you know it is jacked up when even fairly liberal sites like Time magazine and Slate are bashing his selection.

PuroFreak

JZ

First the SCHIP now this!

kuzi16

smbrink

Archangel32G

ok so his good intentions, ill start this off by saying im STILL in afghanistan. Yes he may have signed to send an additional 60,000 troops here god knows that we ned it. But he has also extended a lot of the infantry here so they get to stay an extra 3 months because he took so long to rouse up the extra troops. The infantry cats that im attached to has already lost 9 guys and they are about a month away from finally getting a break, and now they are most likely extended. Im currently a gunner in the lead truck of almost every convoy we are involved in, it takes an act of congress before i can really shoot an oncoming vehicle that could possibly explode and kill everyone in my truck, We all know that you cant effectively stop a speeding vehicle when its within 50 meters. My COP gets hit constantly with indirect fire ie rockets, mortars, rocoiless rifles. when we find a POO site (Point of origin) and its anywhere near or even in most cases in a house (yes they love to shoot from their houses) we cant fire, all we can do is sit in the bunkers and hope another rocket doesnt come in and kill someone. I dont get why people are showering this guy with compliments and even awards, everyday it gets harder and harder to complete our job out here because our hands are tied from doing anything. All this is going to result in is us staying here for YEARS to come. Sounds like another great idea.

jsnake

JZ

Krieg

Archangel32G:

ok so his good intentions, ill start this off by saying im STILL in afghanistan. Yes he may have signed to send an additional 60,000 troops here god knows that we ned it. But he has also extended a lot of the infantry here so they get to stay an extra 3 months because he took so long to rouse up the extra troops. The infantry cats that im attached to has already lost 9 guys and they are about a month away from finally getting a break, and now they are most likely extended. Im currently a gunner in the lead truck of almost every convoy we are involved in, it takes an act of congress before i can really shoot an oncoming vehicle that could possibly explode and kill everyone in my truck, We all know that you cant effectively stop a speeding vehicle when its within 50 meters. My COP gets hit constantly with indirect fire ie rockets, mortars, rocoiless rifles. when we find a POO site (Point of origin) and its anywhere near or even in most cases in a house (yes they love to shoot from their houses) we cant fire, all we can do is sit in the bunkers and hope another rocket doesnt come in and kill someone. I dont get why people are showering this guy with compliments and even awards, everyday it gets harder and harder to complete our job out here because our hands are tied from doing anything. All this is going to result in is us staying here for YEARS to come. Sounds like another great idea.

Actually he hasn't sent *** yet, The House is actually passing legislation to actually FORBID any extra troops going to Afghanistan.

JZ

Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro calls Obama's Nobel Peace Prize 'a positive measure.' Well as long as he is happy with the selection; has anyone detected a trend here?

rdnstn

JZ:

Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro calls Obama's Nobel Peace Prize 'a positive measure.' Well as long as he is happy with the selection; has anyone detected a trend here?

Damn, if Fidel OKs it, then how can I complain.

phobicsquirrel

Archangel32G:

ok so his good intentions, ill start this off by saying im STILL in afghanistan. Yes he may have signed to send an additional 60,000 troops here god knows that we ned it. But he has also extended a lot of the infantry here so they get to stay an extra 3 months because he took so long to rouse up the extra troops. The infantry cats that im attached to has already lost 9 guys and they are about a month away from finally getting a break, and now they are most likely extended. Im currently a gunner in the lead truck of almost every convoy we are involved in, it takes an act of congress before i can really shoot an oncoming vehicle that could possibly explode and kill everyone in my truck, We all know that you cant effectively stop a speeding vehicle when its within 50 meters. My COP gets hit constantly with indirect fire ie rockets, mortars, rocoiless rifles. when we find a POO site (Point of origin) and its anywhere near or even in most cases in a house (yes they love to shoot from their houses) we cant fire, all we can do is sit in the bunkers and hope another rocket doesnt come in and kill someone. I dont get why people are showering this guy with compliments and even awards, everyday it gets harder and harder to complete our job out here because our hands are tied from doing anything. All this is going to result in is us staying here for YEARS to come. Sounds like another great idea.

Being someone who was there in 01, and watching the way the ground was handled I can tell you that I would have loved to have had some REAL planning on how to run things. I remember hearing my LT on the phone with command pleading for more rangers but every time it was denied. Later I found out that the CIA and the white house wanted to do things their way. I'm not going to get in the middle of this hate fest but since your actually in combat right now let me ask you, would 40,000 troops really make a difference? I mean can WE really win there? Doubtful, and what are we fighting? Al Queda (however it's spelled) isn't even there, they are in Pakistan. If 40-80 thousand more troops were brought there, WE will be there for YEARS to come. Re-focusing the efforts of the military need to be done. Moving troops into an area, fighting these crazies isn't going to do anything. There really needs to be a re-focused effort. And btw, the rules of engagement have always sucked since these wars began. I remember going through the same crap, and it wasn't only until someone got shot did you KNOW it was okay to return fire. I feel ya on that, but it's the way it goes.

stephen_hannibal

Archangel32G

phobicsquirrel:

Archangel32G:

ok so his good intentions, ill start this off by saying im STILL in afghanistan. Yes he may have signed to send an additional 60,000 troops here god knows that we ned it. But he has also extended a lot of the infantry here so they get to stay an extra 3 months because he took so long to rouse up the extra troops. The infantry cats that im attached to has already lost 9 guys and they are about a month away from finally getting a break, and now they are most likely extended. Im currently a gunner in the lead truck of almost every convoy we are involved in, it takes an act of congress before i can really shoot an oncoming vehicle that could possibly explode and kill everyone in my truck, We all know that you cant effectively stop a speeding vehicle when its within 50 meters. My COP gets hit constantly with indirect fire ie rockets, mortars, rocoiless rifles. when we find a POO site (Point of origin) and its anywhere near or even in most cases in a house (yes they love to shoot from their houses) we cant fire, all we can do is sit in the bunkers and hope another rocket doesnt come in and kill someone. I dont get why people are showering this guy with compliments and even awards, everyday it gets harder and harder to complete our job out here because our hands are tied from doing anything. All this is going to result in is us staying here for YEARS to come. Sounds like another great idea.

Being someone who was there in 01, and watching the way the ground was handled I can tell you that I would have loved to have had some REAL planning on how to run things. I remember hearing my LT on the phone with command pleading for more rangers but every time it was denied. Later I found out that the CIA and the white house wanted to do things their way. I'm not going to get in the middle of this hate fest but since your actually in combat right now let me ask you, would 40,000 troops really make a difference? I mean can WE really win there? Doubtful, and what are we fighting? Al Queda (however it's spelled) isn't even there, they are in Pakistan. If 40-80 thousand more troops were brought there, WE will be there for YEARS to come. Re-focusing the efforts of the military need to be done. Moving troops into an area, fighting these crazies isn't going to do anything. There really needs to be a re-focused effort. And btw, the rules of engagement have always sucked since these wars began. I remember going through the same crap, and it wasn't only until someone got shot did you KNOW it was okay to return fire. I feel ya on that, but it's the way it goes.

Well man to be honest, 40000 troops may or may not help out it depends on what type of combat arms will be sent out here. I think where they messed up is that they sent out to many of the psychological guys out here to try to 'better' the relations with the public and the government when we shouldve been doing pushes out to the vast enemy territory with straight infantry and other jobs that are geared more towards combat. the trouble is is that right now it seems that were are fighting a ghost, and you are correct its not al quaeda were fighting here its the Taliban which as you may know consists of a lot of extremeists and ex Muhadjideen. We are definitely going to be here for YEARS to come like you said simply for the fact that corruption in their government goes so deep you cant effectively catch them because there is always one more guy higher than him that is covering up his BS. I just think that instead of trying to make it sound like were doing a lot of good out here we need to really take a look at what has been going, on which sometimes seems like a whole lot of nothing, and see if we can take a more direct approach. But either way i dont think that there will be anything remotely close to a complete mission out here for many years to come. everything is so spread out its hard to make a push out to almost anywhere. as for everyone elses posts, i hope i answered some questions and i appreciate the responses. im glad a found this forum one for my love for cigars, and for the intelligent people that you come across. Talk to you all soon.

phobicsquirrel

Archangel32G:

phobicsquirrel:

Archangel32G:

ok so his good intentions, ill start this off by saying im STILL in afghanistan. Yes he may have signed to send an additional 60,000 troops here god knows that we ned it. But he has also extended a lot of the infantry here so they get to stay an extra 3 months because he took so long to rouse up the extra troops. The infantry cats that im attached to has already lost 9 guys and they are about a month away from finally getting a break, and now they are most likely extended. Im currently a gunner in the lead truck of almost every convoy we are involved in, it takes an act of congress before i can really shoot an oncoming vehicle that could possibly explode and kill everyone in my truck, We all know that you cant effectively stop a speeding vehicle when its within 50 meters. My COP gets hit constantly with indirect fire ie rockets, mortars, rocoiless rifles. when we find a POO site (Point of origin) and its anywhere near or even in most cases in a house (yes they love to shoot from their houses) we cant fire, all we can do is sit in the bunkers and hope another rocket doesnt come in and kill someone. I dont get why people are showering this guy with compliments and even awards, everyday it gets harder and harder to complete our job out here because our hands are tied from doing anything. All this is going to result in is us staying here for YEARS to come. Sounds like another great idea.

Being someone who was there in 01, and watching the way the ground was handled I can tell you that I would have loved to have had some REAL planning on how to run things. I remember hearing my LT on the phone with command pleading for more rangers but every time it was denied. Later I found out that the CIA and the white house wanted to do things their way. I'm not going to get in the middle of this hate fest but since your actually in combat right now let me ask you, would 40,000 troops really make a difference? I mean can WE really win there? Doubtful, and what are we fighting? Al Queda (however it's spelled) isn't even there, they are in Pakistan. If 40-80 thousand more troops were brought there, WE will be there for YEARS to come. Re-focusing the efforts of the military need to be done. Moving troops into an area, fighting these crazies isn't going to do anything. There really needs to be a re-focused effort. And btw, the rules of engagement have always sucked since these wars began. I remember going through the same crap, and it wasn't only until someone got shot did you KNOW it was okay to return fire. I feel ya on that, but it's the way it goes.

Well man to be honest, 40000 troops may or may not help out it depends on what type of combat arms will be sent out here. I think where they messed up is that they sent out to many of the psychological guys out here to try to 'better' the relations with the public and the government when we shouldve been doing pushes out to the vast enemy territory with straight infantry and other jobs that are geared more towards combat. the trouble is is that right now it seems that were are fighting a ghost, and you are correct its not al quaeda were fighting here its the Taliban which as you may know consists of a lot of extremeists and ex Muhadjideen. We are definitely going to be here for YEARS to come like you said simply for the fact that corruption in their government goes so deep you cant effectively catch them because there is always one more guy higher than him that is covering up his BS. I just think that instead of trying to make it sound like were doing a lot of good out here we need to really take a look at what has been going, on which sometimes seems like a whole lot of nothing, and see if we can take a more direct approach. But either way i dont think that there will be anything remotely close to a complete mission out here for many years to come. everything is so spread out its hard to make a push out to almost anywhere. as for everyone elses posts, i hope i answered some questions and i appreciate the responses. im glad a found this forum one for my love for cigars, and for the intelligent people that you come across. Talk to you all soon.

Take care bud!

betasynn

kuzi16

PuroFreak

Wheather or not anyone supports him isn't really the issue here. I don't agree with much he does, but I have a couple friend who back him 110% that ever agree there was no way in hell he should have won the Nobel Peace prize, simply because he hasn't done ANYTHING. He has not passed a single piece of legislation that impacted the evnironment or the economy when he was nomintate. Like him or not, I still challenge ANYONE to point to one thing he had done by Feb. 1st 2009 that would merrit him being nominated.

phobicsquirrel