I would vote for the Med./Full body myself. Just a thought here, but Alex, would there be any possiblity that this new creation could be offered in two version's so that maybe it could cover two spectrums of the strength / body qualifications. Maybe a change in wrappers or something like that?
Not to sound like a parrot, but Medium to Medium-Full would probably be ideal - maybe an oversized vitola could be rolled for the full-body smokers as a compromise (I mean like 6x60, nothing too ridiculous).
interesting.... i finds that the larger rings of the same blend are usually MILDER than the same blend at a smaller ring....
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Not to sound like a parrot, but Medium to Medium-Full would probably be ideal - maybe an oversized vitola could be rolled for the full-body smokers as a compromise (I mean like 6x60, nothing too ridiculous).
interesting.... i finds that the larger rings of the same blend are usually MILDER than the same blend at a smaller ring....
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Sorry, I misspoke (mis-typed, anyway). I meant greater overall strength, rather than fuller body, there. I know, personally, as my tastes have moved towards fuller-bodied cigars, I've tended to move towards stronger sticks with a greater overall smoking time. But I 100% aggree, you're right, sorry about that.
That being said, some fillers are more full-bodied than others (e.g., Piloto > Olor), no? I know they still impart less flavor than the wrapper, but couldn't body be increased in a larger ring gauge by using a richer, more complex filler combo (and of course by using more ligero-versions of those strains)? Obviously, I'm far from a blending expert; I suppose there must be some reason.
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Not to sound like a parrot, but Medium to Medium-Full would probably be ideal - maybe an oversized vitola could be rolled for the full-body smokers as a compromise (I mean like 6x60, nothing too ridiculous).
interesting.... i finds that the larger rings of the same blend are usually MILDER than the same blend at a smaller ring....
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Sorry, I misspoke (mis-typed, anyway). I meant greater overall strength, rather than fuller body, there. I know, personally, as my tastes have moved towards fuller-bodied cigars, I've tended to move towards stronger sticks with a greater overall smoking time. But I 100% aggree, you're right, sorry about that.
That being said, some fillers are more full-bodied than others (e.g., Piloto > Olor), no? I know they still impart less flavor than the wrapper, but couldn't body be increased in a larger ring gauge by using a richer, more complex filler combo (and of course by using more ligero-versions of those strains)? Obviously, I'm far from a blending expert; I suppose there must be some reason.
Yes fillers vary by strength based on the seed and where they are grown. For example, Jalapa filler is a sweet and not as strong where as Esteli is very potent. So if a blender is setting out to make a medium bodied cigar, he will use a different priming from the plant to offset any natural strength the tobacco may have. The strength is largely dependent on which priming the leaf comes from (valado, seco, viso, ligero, corona). That list was bottom to top and the top is stronger. If I find an old article I wronte on blending I will post it so you guys can see. Soooooo back to the original example, if I am making a medium bodied cigar, I might use a ligero jalapa but a seco esteli. These are from two different regions, but will provide the same strength. Hope this helps. This is why picking body first is so important. That way when you guys decide what seed/ region you want your three fillers, I will know what primings to use based on what body we are shooting for.
Not to sound like a parrot, but Medium to Medium-Full would probably be ideal - maybe an oversized vitola could be rolled for the full-body smokers as a compromise (I mean like 6x60, nothing too ridiculous).
interesting.... i finds that the larger rings of the same blend are usually MILDER than the same blend at a smaller ring....
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Sorry, I misspoke (mis-typed, anyway). I meant greater overall strength, rather than fuller body, there. I know, personally, as my tastes have moved towards fuller-bodied cigars, I've tended to move towards stronger sticks with a greater overall smoking time. But I 100% aggree, you're right, sorry about that.
That being said, some fillers are more full-bodied than others (e.g., Piloto > Olor), no? I know they still impart less flavor than the wrapper, but couldn't body be increased in a larger ring gauge by using a richer, more complex filler combo (and of course by using more ligero-versions of those strains)? Obviously, I'm far from a blending expert; I suppose there must be some reason.
Yes fillers vary by strength based on the seed and where they are grown. For example, Jalapa filler is a sweet and not as strong where as Esteli is very potent. So if a blender is setting out to make a medium bodied cigar, he will use a different priming from the plant to offset any natural strength the tobacco may have. The strength is largely dependent on which priming the leaf comes from (valado, seco, viso, ligero, corona). That list was bottom to top and the top is stronger. If I find an old article I wronte on blending I will post it so you guys can see. Soooooo back to the original example, if I am making a medium bodied cigar, I might use a ligero jalapa but a seco esteli. These are from two different regions, but will provide the same strength. Hope this helps. This is why picking body first is so important. That way when you guys decide what seed/ region you want your three fillers, I will know what primings to use based on what body we are shooting for.
This is already becoming quite educational---thanks Alex
First of all, Alex! You are a one of a kind Guy. I am willing to bet I speak for all of us when I say thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge. It's individuals like you who keep this wonderful obsession of mine burning.
As far as strength, I believe an opportunity such as this should be enjoyed by the majority and although I am a full-bodied man!!!, I elect a medium bodied cigar as it provides the most compromise for all of us.
Not to sound like a parrot, but Medium to Medium-Full would probably be ideal - maybe an oversized vitola could be rolled for the full-body smokers as a compromise (I mean like 6x60, nothing too ridiculous).
interesting.... i finds that the larger rings of the same blend are usually MILDER than the same blend at a smaller ring....
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Sorry, I misspoke (mis-typed, anyway). I meant greater overall strength, rather than fuller body, there. I know, personally, as my tastes have moved towards fuller-bodied cigars, I've tended to move towards stronger sticks with a greater overall smoking time. But I 100% aggree, you're right, sorry about that.
That being said, some fillers are more full-bodied than others (e.g., Piloto > Olor), no? I know they still impart less flavor than the wrapper, but couldn't body be increased in a larger ring gauge by using a richer, more complex filler combo (and of course by using more ligero-versions of those strains)? Obviously, I'm far from a blending expert; I suppose there must be some reason.
Yes fillers vary by strength based on the seed and where they are grown. For example, Jalapa filler is a sweet and not as strong where as Esteli is very potent. So if a blender is setting out to make a medium bodied cigar, he will use a different priming from the plant to offset any natural strength the tobacco may have. The strength is largely dependent on which priming the leaf comes from (valado, seco, viso, ligero, corona). That list was bottom to top and the top is stronger. If I find an old article I wronte on blending I will post it so you guys can see. Soooooo back to the original example, if I am making a medium bodied cigar, I might use a ligero jalapa but a seco esteli. These are from two different regions, but will provide the same strength. Hope this helps. This is why picking body first is so important. That way when you guys decide what seed/ region you want your three fillers, I will know what primings to use based on what body we are shooting for.
i think i may have touched on this in my blending 101 thread. the different regions with the same seed and priming thing was one of the many omissions i had due to me wanting to keep the essay kind of short. If you read through the essay, it is almost implied, but a bit of a leap has to be made.
im glad you pointed it out though. it is easy to overlook.
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Just a thought here, but Alex, would there be any possiblity that this new creation could be offered in two version's so that maybe it could cover two spectrums of the strength / body qualifications.
Maybe a change in wrappers or something like that?
I vote full. A kick to the gut, sit down and eat a big lunch before you smoke it ... FULL!
especially if the prapper leaf tends to be full in body. (corojo, ligero, sun grown)
Sorry, I misspoke (mis-typed, anyway). I meant greater overall strength, rather than fuller body, there. I know, personally, as my tastes have moved towards fuller-bodied cigars, I've tended to move towards stronger sticks with a greater overall smoking time. But I 100% aggree, you're right, sorry about that.
That being said, some fillers are more full-bodied than others (e.g., Piloto > Olor), no? I know they still impart less flavor than the wrapper, but couldn't body be increased in a larger ring gauge by using a richer, more complex filler combo (and of course by using more ligero-versions of those strains)? Obviously, I'm far from a blending expert; I suppose there must be some reason.
This is already becoming quite educational---thanks Alex
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First of all, Alex! You are a one of a kind Guy. I am willing to bet I speak for all of us when I say thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge. It's individuals like you who keep this wonderful obsession of mine burning.
As far as strength, I believe an opportunity such as this should be enjoyed by the majority and although I am a full-bodied man!!!, I elect a medium bodied cigar as it provides the most compromise for all of us.
im glad you pointed it out though. it is easy to overlook.
naw, we didnt count YOUR vote.
...just kiddin.
i agree. it may not be a cigar that everyone on the forum loves but it will be a cigar that we all got heard on.