If we eliminate the financial drains of programs like welfare EVERYONE, rich or poor will be better off. Taxation of compaines will be less meaning they have more money to spend, meaning an increase in jobs, meaning a dcrease in the number of people in need of welfare. I know this is a little over simplified but its the truth,
Methinks you severely underestimate the extent of corporate greed, my friend.
corporate greed? hmmmm... i think your definition of greed needs to be looked at.
Corporations give millions of people world wide the means to live and survive. corporations provide services that are essential to life and how we live. corporations employ a huge percentage of people in the US and world wide. corporations give allow for group rates on insurance and make it afordable for those involved. corporations make cities thrive and the econic system run. without corporations most of what we own in our homes would not exist, and if it did, would cost two to three times as much. they may take a profit but my quality of life is what it is because of corporations.
on the other hand, people mooching off of the welfair system just want a free ride... on somone elses dollar. they dont care if its my dollar or not they steal.
I don't think Libs see Cigars as a vice, they just see it as another thing to tax. The more taxes they create is the more money to redistribute to those financially dependent on the government. Most libs support legalizing Marijuana, why? because it would lead to more tax dollars for them to "give" to people.
One saying comes to mind when I think of the relationship between the democrats and their welfare carrying voters.
"The hand you hold, is the hand that holds you down"
If we eliminate the financial drains of programs like welfare EVERYONE, rich or poor will be better off. Taxation of compaines will be less meaning they have more money to spend, meaning an increase in jobs, meaning a dcrease in the number of people in need of welfare. I know this is a little over simplified but its the truth,
Methinks you severely underestimate the extent of corporate greed, my friend.
corporate greed? hmmmm... i think your definition of greed needs to be looked at.
Corporations give millions of people world wide the means to live and survive. corporations provide services that are essential to life and how we live. corporations employ a huge percentage of people in the US and world wide. corporations give allow for group rates on insurance and make it afordable for those involved. corporations make cities thrive and the econic system run. without corporations most of what we own in our homes would not exist, and if it did, would cost two to three times as much. they may take a profit but my quality of life is what it is because of corporations.
on the other hand, people mooching off of the welfair system just want a free ride... on somone elses dollar. they dont care if its my dollar or not they steal.
who's greedy?
What he said! "Corporate Greed" is a myth. There is individual greed, Kenneth Laye was out to make himself wealthy not Enron, how is that any different than someone who receives welfare and drives a Mercedes? There is also government greed, which forces companies to try to cheat the system just so they can survive. As someone who has been around entrepeneurs his whole life, if businesses actually followed the code to a T and didn't operate in gray areas there is no possible way they could survive.
I don't think Libs see Cigars as a vice, they just see it as another thing to tax. The more taxes they create is the more money to redistribute to those financially dependent on the government. Most libs support legalizing Marijuana, why? because it would lead to more tax dollars for them to "give" to people.
One saying comes to mind when I think of the relationship between the democrats and their welfare carrying voters.
"The hand you hold, is the hand that holds you down"
I don't think Libs see Cigars as a vice, they just see it as another thing to tax. The more taxes they create is the more money to redistribute to those financially dependent on the government. Most libs support legalizing Marijuana, why? because it would lead to more tax dollars for them to "give" to people.
One saying comes to mind when I think of the relationship between the democrats and their welfare carrying voters.
"The hand you hold, is the hand that holds you down"
i guess that is fair. they still call it a "vice tax" though. you are right about the the hand that holds you...
Typed out a whole response only to decide it would be better to let things stay back on track... if you care to read it highlight the text below this (couldn't just go and waste that effort). If you want to stay on-topic... well... don't (highlight said unveeseeble texts).
kuzi16:corporate greed? hmmmm... i think your definition of greed needs to be looked at.
Well, if the corporations I've worked for are anything to go by, then no.
Let's do a quick checklist for the company I'm currently with, Staples:
Going full steam ahead opening new stores during a period of economic trouble? Check!
Making employees work for four years and change before seeing a dollar increase in their wages? Check!
Not giving cost-of-living raises? Check!
Cutting hours, increasing the workload on individual employees? Check!
Not giving raises when employees consistently show initiative to learn new tasks to improve business and customer satisfaction? Check!
Giving minimal raises for promotions? Check!
Providing practically no job training, even for specialized jobs such as PC Tech services (which I should note I single-handedly raised from the ashes at my store with prior knowledge and sheer determination alone)? Check!
Hypocritically demanding we provide superior customer service (including not hassling or causing inconvenience to the customer), yet demanding that if we don't up-sell, cross-sell, sell service plans, etc... we will not get bonuses and possibly get fired, even if we are trying 100%? Check!
Bonuses having so many strings attached to get them that if more than one employee messes up you're practically SOL, eroding the individual hard-working employee's drive to do their part for the company? Check!
Upper management completely out of touch with the actual needs of each store in order to improve business, instead wholly consuming themselves with corporate propoganda involving words like "synergy"? Check!
... and that's not even all of it. Obviously Staples is probably not an accurate snapshot of all of corporate America. However, I can tell you that based on my experience with/hearsay from co-workers and friends about other corporations, this sort of picture is not entirely uncommon. In fact, it is rather common. So for someone in the trenches like me, working full time while going to school (without financial aid from anyone) and also trying to maintain some semblence of a life, my sanity and a decent sleep schedule? Yeah... picture ain't so pretty from where I'm at.
Corporations are hardly willing to do justice to the employees they already have, so if they start doing the same for more people, well... let's just say they're not saints now and they'd be taking a step backwards by doing that.
madurofan:"Corporate Greed" is a myth. There is individual greed, Kenneth Laye was out to make himself wealthy not Enron, how is that any different than someone who receives welfare and drives a Mercedes? There is also government greed, which forces companies to try to cheat the system just so they can survive. As someone who has been around entrepeneurs his whole life, if businesses actually followed the code to a T and didn't operate in gray areas there is no possible way they could survive.
So you're saying having morals flexible enough to make Stretch Armstrong proud is preferable to sticking to one's word and forcing oneself to not make promises one cannot begin to dream of keeping?
Corporations are made up of people. The only thing I've seen keeping businesses from working as advertised is an obsession with numbers. If the numbers are where the CEOs want them to be, no one with any power (the head people) will care enough to notice when it comes at the cost of injustice done to those lower on the ladder (the unpeople). Things like unions and the labor department exist for a reason, and the reason is because the people in charge within the company don't care. Any PR nonsense that makes it seem like a company is [pick your poison]-responsible has a 95% chance to be garbage designed to help upper-management and above sleep at night.
I've said it before in different conversations and I'll say it again. I'm not trying to get a cent more than I've earned, but even getting that seems to be impossible and I'm in a relatively GOOD position, work-wise, compared to a lot of people in similar jobs.
gott, I too started on a deep and long winded reply. But I think this one is better. Lets just agree to disagree. Politics is one of those things none of us are going to completely agree on. This isn't a forum for that IMO, and I apologize taking it there. Now if we are ever face to face I'd be happy to debate this subject more. Thanks for your two cents though and I will say I definetly don't disagree with everything you are saying.
Obviously Staples is probably not an accurate snapshot of all of corporate America.
check...
I work in corporate america also. I have got a raise twice a year for the last 4 years. (and one promotion) the plans for staples to open a new store (or many) were probably on the books for YEARS now. ... since the economy was fine for so long it was ok. this downturn has been fairly recent. i doubt that staples wants to throw away millions of dollars because of a downturn in the economy.
if you hate staples so much why are you still working for them? is it because they are giving you money? its enough that you can get some splurge items (like cigars). it seems that there is somoe job security, i mean they are still growing even though there is a down turn in the economy. they give you a flexable schedual so you can go to school at the same time. They give you enough to help out with school, have a car, smoke cigars, and have time to do your school work. that actually sounds like pretty sweet college gig. I wish mine was that nice. I had to work for the school, making less than $100 a week. this wasnt that long ago and it hardly covered my cost of books over the entire semester.
they didnt give you a raise for four years? why didnt you change jobs? thats the thing about where you are in life now. you can change jobs to something simaler and get paid more. cut hours and higher workload... sounds like we just had an increase in minimum wage. that happens EVERY time the minimum wage is increased. you didnt get a raise even though you deserved one? that sucks. get a different job that is more rewarding. ... and just because upper management is out of toutch with reality coesnt mean that corporate america is greedy. it just means they are out of toutch.
you also have to keep in mind that while in college you are at the poorest you will be in your life. I did what you did. i know what thats like. its a sh*t job that anyone can do. you arent getting paid more because there are a million other people out there that can do exactly what you do and will do it cheaper.
again it goes back to personal responsability: If you dont like the situation you are in, change it. there is nobody holding you back but yourself. ... of course you are changing it. you are in school. once you get out and have a degree you can go to the corporate side of staples instead of the register jocky side. there its a completly different ball game.
i guess the long and short of it is this: you have the power as a person to change your life. it may take a while and you may have to put up with BS in the time being, but its worth it. every job has its BS. its all about finding what BS you can put up with. I have had good jobs and i have had bad jobs. I left the jobs i hated and im still at the job i like. get out there and look for the job you like. do what you like- the money will follow.
gott, I too started on a deep and long winded reply. But I think this one is better. Lets just agree to disagree. Politics is one of those things none of us are going to completely agree on. This isn't a forum for that IMO, and I apologize taking it there. Now if we are ever face to face I'd be happy to debate this subject more. Thanks for your two cents though and I will say I definetly don't disagree with everything you are saying.
Ditto. Didn't mean to rant so much on that last one, too, the debate just kind of went a direction that happened to be something the past couple of days at work made me pretty P.O.'d about for specific reasons I won't go into here. Anways... back to cigars... the Nub is awesome, and once again glad to hear you had a good time meeting Sam Leccia.
I have a Nub sampler on the way. Should arrive in the next day or two. I'm very much looking forward to checking them out.
You are lucky
I've had the Connecticut & Cameroon. Im still new to cigars so the Cameroon was a little to spicy for my liking. The Connecticut was divine though. I wish all cigars tasted like that. This Friday night I will be enjoying the Habano probably.
BF, Hope you enjoy whats on the way!! Package went out today should be to you no later than saturday! Let me know when you get it I want to give you a little breakdown of the sticks
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Corporations give millions of people world wide the means to live and survive. corporations provide services that are essential to life and how we live. corporations employ a huge percentage of people in the US and world wide. corporations give allow for group rates on insurance and make it afordable for those involved. corporations make cities thrive and the econic system run. without corporations most of what we own in our homes would not exist, and if it did, would cost two to three times as much. they may take a profit but my quality of life is what it is because of corporations.
on the other hand, people mooching off of the welfair system just want a free ride... on somone elses dollar. they dont care if its my dollar or not they steal.
who's greedy?
"Corporate Greed" is a myth. There is individual greed, Kenneth Laye was out to make himself wealthy not Enron, how is that any different than someone who receives welfare and drives a Mercedes? There is also government greed, which forces companies to try to cheat the system just so they can survive. As someone who has been around entrepeneurs his whole life, if businesses actually followed the code to a T and didn't operate in gray areas there is no possible way they could survive.
Let's do a quick checklist for the company I'm currently with, Staples:
Going full steam ahead opening new stores during a period of economic trouble? Check! Making employees work for four years and change before seeing a dollar increase in their wages? Check! Not giving cost-of-living raises? Check! Cutting hours, increasing the workload on individual employees? Check! Not giving raises when employees consistently show initiative to learn new tasks to improve business and customer satisfaction? Check! Giving minimal raises for promotions? Check! Providing practically no job training, even for specialized jobs such as PC Tech services (which I should note I single-handedly raised from the ashes at my store with prior knowledge and sheer determination alone)? Check! Hypocritically demanding we provide superior customer service (including not hassling or causing inconvenience to the customer), yet demanding that if we don't up-sell, cross-sell, sell service plans, etc... we will not get bonuses and possibly get fired, even if we are trying 100%? Check! Bonuses having so many strings attached to get them that if more than one employee messes up you're practically SOL, eroding the individual hard-working employee's drive to do their part for the company? Check! Upper management completely out of touch with the actual needs of each store in order to improve business, instead wholly consuming themselves with corporate propoganda involving words like "synergy"? Check!
... and that's not even all of it. Obviously Staples is probably not an accurate snapshot of all of corporate America. However, I can tell you that based on my experience with/hearsay from co-workers and friends about other corporations, this sort of picture is not entirely uncommon. In fact, it is rather common. So for someone in the trenches like me, working full time while going to school (without financial aid from anyone) and also trying to maintain some semblence of a life, my sanity and a decent sleep schedule? Yeah... picture ain't so pretty from where I'm at.
Corporations are hardly willing to do justice to the employees they already have, so if they start doing the same for more people, well... let's just say they're not saints now and they'd be taking a step backwards by doing that. madurofan:"Corporate Greed" is a myth. There is individual greed, Kenneth Laye was out to make himself wealthy not Enron, how is that any different than someone who receives welfare and drives a Mercedes? There is also government greed, which forces companies to try to cheat the system just so they can survive. As someone who has been around entrepeneurs his whole life, if businesses actually followed the code to a T and didn't operate in gray areas there is no possible way they could survive. So you're saying having morals flexible enough to make Stretch Armstrong proud is preferable to sticking to one's word and forcing oneself to not make promises one cannot begin to dream of keeping?
Corporations are made up of people. The only thing I've seen keeping businesses from working as advertised is an obsession with numbers. If the numbers are where the CEOs want them to be, no one with any power (the head people) will care enough to notice when it comes at the cost of injustice done to those lower on the ladder (the unpeople). Things like unions and the labor department exist for a reason, and the reason is because the people in charge within the company don't care. Any PR nonsense that makes it seem like a company is [pick your poison]-responsible has a 95% chance to be garbage designed to help upper-management and above sleep at night.
I've said it before in different conversations and I'll say it again. I'm not trying to get a cent more than I've earned, but even getting that seems to be impossible and I'm in a relatively GOOD position, work-wise, compared to a lot of people in similar jobs.
I work in corporate america also. I have got a raise twice a year for the last 4 years. (and one promotion)
the plans for staples to open a new store (or many) were probably on the books for YEARS now. ... since the economy was fine for so long it was ok. this downturn has been fairly recent. i doubt that staples wants to throw away millions of dollars because of a downturn in the economy.
if you hate staples so much why are you still working for them? is it because they are giving you money? its enough that you can get some splurge items (like cigars). it seems that there is somoe job security, i mean they are still growing even though there is a down turn in the economy. they give you a flexable schedual so you can go to school at the same time. They give you enough to help out with school, have a car, smoke cigars, and have time to do your school work. that actually sounds like pretty sweet college gig. I wish mine was that nice. I had to work for the school, making less than $100 a week. this wasnt that long ago and it hardly covered my cost of books over the entire semester.
they didnt give you a raise for four years? why didnt you change jobs? thats the thing about where you are in life now. you can change jobs to something simaler and get paid more.
cut hours and higher workload... sounds like we just had an increase in minimum wage. that happens EVERY time the minimum wage is increased.
you didnt get a raise even though you deserved one? that sucks. get a different job that is more rewarding.
... and just because upper management is out of toutch with reality coesnt mean that corporate america is greedy. it just means they are out of toutch.
you also have to keep in mind that while in college you are at the poorest you will be in your life. I did what you did. i know what thats like. its a sh*t job that anyone can do. you arent getting paid more because there are a million other people out there that can do exactly what you do and will do it cheaper.
again it goes back to personal responsability: If you dont like the situation you are in, change it. there is nobody holding you back but yourself. ... of course you are changing it. you are in school. once you get out and have a degree you can go to the corporate side of staples instead of the register jocky side. there its a completly different ball game.
i guess the long and short of it is this: you have the power as a person to change your life. it may take a while and you may have to put up with BS in the time being, but its worth it. every job has its BS. its all about finding what BS you can put up with. I have had good jobs and i have had bad jobs. I left the jobs i hated and im still at the job i like. get out there and look for the job you like.
do what you like- the money will follow.
Urby, congrats on the sampler. You will not regret it! May I give a piece of advice and say smoke the Conneticut first.
Hope you enjoy whats on the way!! Package went out today should be to you no later than saturday! Let me know when you get it I want to give you a little breakdown of the sticks
I like a Cameroon wrapper, BF, but the Connecticut-wrapped R&J I had the other night was a knockout, too.
Have you tried the Cammie or Habano yet?