Dem Conn. State Rep Arrested For Allegedly Voting 19 Times

jd50ae

Vulchor

This doesnt seem to confirm voter fraud any more than it ever has taken place on rare occasions-----what it does however, is continue to solidify the thought that the elected officals are the real criminals.

jd50ae

raisindot

Rain

Cheese is good

Vulchor

You know it and so do I Raisin------sadly, it is a lossing battle with a large number of society however.

raisindot

I just do refute this stuff simply for the fun of it, Vulchor. I don't take any of these political volleys seriously at all. Life is far too short to get violently upset by words on a screen, unless there's specific racial or religious attacks involved, which, fortunately, are absent here. As Rain says, cheese is a very good thing.

Rain

So, serious question...what are the arguments for/against requiring voter id?

jd50ae

And the numbers are growing by leaps and bounds. You can't fool everyone. Why, even cnn is catching up.

jd50ae

Rain

But in theory, if you can get a fake dl you could get a fake voters card, right?

Eulogy

In states that are passing these laws, they are requiring certain forms of identification to be allowed to vote. Usually a passport or state issued drivers license or identification card. Other forms of ID like school, work, or medical are no longer being accepted, even though they have been valid forms of ID in the past. The argument against it is that some voters are unable to afford a state issued ID or have difficultly with mobility keeping them from being able to obtain one. The poor and elderly are far less likely to have a state ID which is where the claims that these laws are targeting an aspect of society that is vulnerable and tends to vote Democratic. The other side says that people should have ID if they want to vote and to keep voter fraud from happening. There isn't rampant voter fraud, though. I think in the last election it was around one percent of one percent and some people are also arguing that they are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Personally, I feel that if a state wants to make voters be required to present a state ID, they should provide that ID free of charge and make it for the election after the most recent one. Since this is an election year, make it be required after this November for the Presidential elections in 2016.

Rain

If they have a mobility problem to get an id, don't they have a mobility problem to vote? As for not having a dl or state id...it's pretty hard to do much of anything without one. Not many places accept a school id, library card etc etc as a valid id...certainly can't buy a drink or smokes with one, and IMO voting is more important than that stuff. I don't relly think it will curb voter fraud one way or the other though. Bigger fish to fry

Eulogy

You can get an absentee ballot if you have health problems that keep you from going to vote or don't live in a district with enough voters to warrant a voting station,I vote with an absentee ballot because there aren't enough voters in my area. If the idea is to just prove who you are, why wouldn't a school ID or work ID be enough? I opened a bank account with a school and work ID, the bank thought it was enough to prove who I am.

Rain

I looked up the bank account stuff after I posted, and you are correct. Because you can open your own "business" and print IDs that mean...what? Globo Gym says you are John Smith? I did the absentee ballot while deployed...after showing my federal id card.

Rain

Like I said, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm more amazed that there are people (how many? what percentage of us citizens?) who don't have a state id, state dl or federal ID...just seemed like something you got because you need one. I use mine several times a day. How in the hell did they identify people in the 1800s?

Eulogy

I understand what you are saying. I just don't think that most people are going out of their way to commit voter fraud, statistics show that voter fraud is very uncommon. I agree with you that voting is very important and I feel that too many Americans are not exercising their civic duty with regards to voting.I don't disagree that voters should be required to prove who they are when registering to vote. I guess my main point from earlier was that if a state wants voters to only use their state issued IDs, they should be provided to registered voters for free.

Rain

I feel like if they make IDs free they'll raise DMV costs or something to get the money back...I agree though, if required it should be free

Eulogy

I think it should come out of the Election Fund and only be provided for free to registered voters.

webmost

Sasquatch

Rain

Being poor with no ID would disenfranchise me.

perkinke

webmost

raisindot

Vulchor

webmost

Vulchor

So you are suggesting, in fact stating, that all elections by Democrats are won due to instances of fraud... correct?

Vulchor

The corollary would be to let this issue go, and prove Repubs can win by not disenfranchising voters. You do see it is an ideological debate-----------and as I said before, one with no need aside from making some people feel good. Fixes none of the real problems we face. Abortion, pot legalization, death penalty, gay marriage-----all pointless emotional issues that keep people away from facts and figures, and ultimately the realization the majority of society has grown to accept getting porked in the rear.

jd50ae

pelirrojo

Please cite sources for your information.