Ray Rice

Rain

Surprised there is no thread about it yet."A massive outcry against the punishment ensured and prompted Goodell to seek out advice of domestic violence experts. On Aug. 28, he announced a sweeping new conduct policy in a letter to owners. The policy now dictates a six-game suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban for a second, with the stipulation that a player can apply for reinstatement after a year."So if this is Rice's first offense, why is he getting the indefinite ban..? IMO, what he did was wrong. I've made mistakes too, though. My sympathy for the victim is almost nonexistent. I mean, she MARRIED him. If she really wants/wanted out, now is her chance. Regardless, can't help people that won't help themselves. Also, did anyone see where 16 female Senators sent a letter to the NFL saying that the NFL needed a harsher domestic abuse policy? Because in the court of law, he got a slap on the wrist..Can I please reiterate that Ray was wrong. I'm not justifying that. I'm also not blaming his wife or saying she deserved it. I'm just saying I don't feel bad for her because she's not trying to help herself.

jlmarta

She's obviously willing to take some abuse in order to stay married to the golden gander.... Jus' sayin'....

YankeeMan

james40

Eulogy

I kind if believe the commissioner. If he had seen it, he would have taken action, it would be logical that the video would come out sooner or later. Rice has a pretty stiff penalty, but he deserves it and it may make other athletes think twice about attacking their spouses or significant others.

Rain

Seems to be mixed messages.Court - Complete a program.NFL - Banned indefinitely (losing who knows how much money.) There is no video, but just the thought of what Greg Hardy did (and was convicted of) is horrifying."On May 13, 2014, Greg Hardy attacked me in his apartment. Hardy picked me up and threw me into the tile tub area in his bathroom. I have bruises from head to toe, including my head, neck, back, shoulders arms, legs, elbow and feet. Hardy pulled me from the tub by my hair, screaming at me that he was going to kill me, break my arms and other threats that I completely believe. He drug me across the bathroom and out into the bedroom. Hardy choked me with both hands around my throat while I was lying on the floor. Hardy picked me up over his head and threw me onto a couch covered in assault rifles and/or shotguns. I landed on those weapons. Hardy bragged that all of those assault rifles were loaded. Landing on those weapons bruised [my] neck and back. Hardy screamed for his “administrative assistant” (Sammy Curtis) to come into the room and hold me down. Curtis came into the room, grabbed me from behind and held me down. Hardy and Curtis then took me into the living room area. I wasn’t nearly strong or fast enough to escape. I begged them to let me go & I wouldn’t tell anyone what he did. They took me out into the hall, pushed me down & went back inside his apartment. I crawled to the elevator and ran into CMPD (Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department)"In court, the accuser testified: “He looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me. I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said just,`Do it. Kill me.”My point is punishment needs to be standard. It really looks like (to me) that Ray Rice is getting a worse punishment because there is a video of what he did. I mean, before Ray Rice I had not even heard of Greg Hardy for any reason besides being The Kraken.

pelirrojo

Deadspin has done a pretty good job of covering this. They put together a list of other domestic violence incidents among players. Rice is just a poster boy who is being made an example of while players like Brandon Marshall who has 3 seperate domestic violence cases continue to play. Why the outrage now? The list included 56 cases out of ~1800 players. There is a lower percentage of domestic violence in the nfl than there is in society in general. This isn't solely an nfl problem it's a societal problem and hopefully this case will bring it to the forefront and provide an opportunity for our society to have an honest discussion about it. I hope it has also given some victims courage to come forward and for thier abusers to be punished accordingly. There is no place or time for abuse of any kind. Anyone who mistreats women and or children should be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

jimmyv723

Lee.mcglynn

Rain:

Seems to be mixed messages.Court - Complete a program.NFL - Banned indefinitely (losing who knows how much money.) There is no video, but just the thought of what Greg Hardy did (and was convicted of) is horrifying."On May 13, 2014, Greg Hardy attacked me in his apartment. Hardy picked me up and threw me into the tile tub area in his bathroom. I have bruises from head to toe, including my head, neck, back, shoulders arms, legs, elbow and feet. Hardy pulled me from the tub by my hair, screaming at me that he was going to kill me, break my arms and other threats that I completely believe. He drug me across the bathroom and out into the bedroom. Hardy choked me with both hands around my throat while I was lying on the floor. Hardy picked me up over his head and threw me onto a couch covered in assault rifles and/or shotguns. I landed on those weapons. Hardy bragged that all of those assault rifles were loaded. Landing on those weapons bruised [my] neck and back. Hardy screamed for his “administrative assistant” (Sammy Curtis) to come into the room and hold me down. Curtis came into the room, grabbed me from behind and held me down. Hardy and Curtis then took me into the living room area. I wasn’t nearly strong or fast enough to escape. I begged them to let me go & I wouldn’t tell anyone what he did. They took me out into the hall, pushed me down & went back inside his apartment. I crawled to the elevator and ran into CMPD (Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department)"In court, the accuser testified: “He looked me in my eyes and he told me he was going to kill me. I was so scared I wanted to die. When he loosened his grip slightly, I said just,`Do it. Kill me.”My point is punishment needs to be standard. It really looks like (to me) that Ray Rice is getting a worse punishment because there is a video of what he did. I mean, before Ray Rice I had not even heard of Greg Hardy for any reason besides being The Kraken.

video evidence equals solid evidence! Look at Kobe...she claimed rape and had sex with how many other guys that day?? As far as ray rice well he's a idiot but I blame that on how athletes are made. From the beginning they skate through life and college because they are good. I worked for a college and even met brian Westbrook before he was a major player. But most athletes in college are a sack of rocks and have no common sense. They aren't even book smart due to the fact they are not expected to be. I mean really in ray's line of work it's run and don't get hit. On fb people...women are sad because now his wife might have to work and so will ray. Boo fing hoo life is life we all have to work even if pay stinks! IMHO this would have happened anyways if non of this stuff happened! Look at iverson.

Rain

Lee, so are you saying that the video (Rice) is better evidence than a conviction in the court of law (Hardy)? Just asking, not saying you're wrong. Also...what is your thought on punishment? Should it depend on the amount and type of evidence?

Lee.mcglynn

Video is video it's hard evidence...but I really feel bad for him since I'm sure all he knows is football. The punishment I think is high and I think he should at Least be a consultant with a big pay loss. Really look at all the sports players that got away with stuff...they should all be shamed but it's up to the people to figure out when to start making them pay

pelirrojo

You feel bad for him? He should be a consultant? In what, how to abuse people? For ages now "jocks" have been able to get away with everything be it a failed drug test, criminal issues, anything else because they're good athletes and make their school/city/team money. It has to come to an end at some point. At what point do we value life/quality of living over how good an athlete is? I realize there have been many cases before his and that yes his punishment is far more significant than those before him, but I have no problem with him being banished and everyone after him meeting the same fate. This isn't an "oops". This is something that is habitual in nearly all cases. If you don't take a stand now, when? I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone that all they know is a sport and being a fucking millionaire or having everyone in town swoon at your mere presence. Some of us have to work for a living, and while we're at it we realize that you don't mistreat the people around you.

Eulogy

Ray was given a lenient punishment from the courts, possibly too lenient, but the NFL can have their own punishment for bad behavior. It is the harshest punishment for this kind of crime so far but the NFL should have the right to bar players from participating in their league if they so wish. He made a "mistake", I'm sure one that he deeply regrets, but that shouldn't matter. The NFL has no obligation to keep him in their organization.

The3Stogies

perkinke

The3Stogies

In Saturday's NYPost: "If only Roger Goodell had used some of his $44 million salary to hire Lois Lerner, those tapes would have disappeared months ago."

clearlysuspect

Martel

clearlysuspect

Rain:

Lee, so are you saying that the video (Rice) is better evidence than a conviction in the court of law (Hardy)? Just asking, not saying you're wrong. Also...what is your thought on punishment? Should it depend on the amount and type of evidence?

Just so you know....Hardy has already been convicted of these crimes in a court of law. He has appealed the decision but he's still a convicted felon.

perkinke

jd50ae

clearlysuspect

clearlysuspect

Definitely agree with the sponsors. Glad they spoke up and put some real pressure on these dooouche bags in the NFL. What a complete @$$tard AP is. Anyone else see the pictures of what he did to his son?? That's total BS. My daughter's know we don't mess around. They can get a spanking real quick, but lacerations all over the kids body??? That's just F'd up for real and takes a demented pr1ck to do something like that. With all the insurmountable evidence against him I can't believe he's not behind bars!

Vulchor

7 kids, 5 women, AT LEAST 2 abuse allegations-----and a "good christian". My hero....barf.

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danielzreyes

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danielzreyes

Right ...... Ray Lewis? The guy who got away with murder Ray Lewis? Same guy right?

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