Obama and his cronies are at it again...

bacon.jay

smbrink

I am truly at a loss for words...

jsnake

I have nothing nice to say so......

phobicsquirrel

I think what this all means is that there needs to be two parties, not only one. I could be wrong but that is what I got from it.

stephen_hannibal

WOW... and I'm black....

Vulchor

I am truly suprised to see anything controversial or one-sighted, or dare I even say written for the closed minded, written from the award winning, pulitzer prize authors at "gopusa.com"-----usually the beacon of light in the darkness of the news media.

phobicsquirrel

Vulchor:

I am truly suprised to see anything controversial or one-sighted, or dare I even say written for the closed minded, written from the award winning, pulitzer prize authors at "gopusa.com"-----usually the beacon of light in the darkness of the news media.

lol.... people only read headlines, didn't you know...?

bacon.jay

kuzi16

kuzi16

Vulchor

stephen_hannibal

kuzi16

Vulchor

yeah!!!!

Thewelder

Just to throw it out there I'm down the middle. But did anybody read the Washington times article or just the GOP? When it comes down to it it doesn't matter if the guy is Dem or Rep. This is quoted from the page two paragraph one "Others noted the absurdity of partisan elections since Kinston is essentially a one-party city anyway; no one among more than a half-dozen city officials and local residents was able to recall a Republican winning office here." So even if it as partisan or not a Republican isn't going to be losing or winning the place of office.

jihiggs

if george bush said it, there would be a riot.

clearlysuspect

phobicsquirrel

Vulchor:

yeah!!!!

That's probably the best thing to say. Kuzi likes to say that "you prove me wrong" speech but really it doesn't matter. As I have pointed out in a few threads or two proving him wrong on how since the 80's and especially the last 8 years of the deregulation on wallstreet, the banks and large corporations however he keeps on wanting more (just as one example). I'm not attacking him but my point is that I have tried as has Urby and Laker on other issues. And the simple fact is that if deregulation works then this whole mess would not be unfolding in terms of the economy and what-not. About this thing on the voters, I really haven't dug deep enough into it but I'm thinking that what the justice department wants is a two party voting system there as that does make sense. I personally think since both parties have proven themselves unable to really do what is needed it is time to either get the money out of the political areana and/or bring in other parties so that instead of just a 2 party race, we have 3 or 4. I liked the 3 party debates we had in the 90's. Also you have to realize that all these people who scream when obama farts said NOTHING while this country was torn apart the last 8 years. So that really sums it up. Republican's did nothing for this country the last 8 years, and dem's are quite simply not doing nearly enough to get things back where they should be and yes I know it's only been 10 months and this all took many years to get to this point but no regulations have been put in place, the infrastructure money that was suppose to be mostly made up of the stimulus bill got slashed (mind you 2.2 trilion dollars is needed to get our infrastructure to a , the emissions bill got hammered, so yeah it's something but not enough. I personally wish, I REALLY WISH both parties could come together and do what is best for this nation instead of trying to quabble over money and their business masters. Big business(s) are not what makes AMERICA great, the people are and I think Washington needs to get that through their heads or things are going to get much, much worse.

TatuajeVI

Vulchor

Tat, you make some good points and I can see some of them. But on the overall, I think the auto regulation-----if done like it shoudl have been, wouldve made the manufacturers make better cars instead of losing out to overseas makers as we have. The failure to enforce better gas mileage, better made cars, ect. has helped to make Toyota and other the giant they are today-----and while I love a good deal, I do try to support American business as much as I can.As far as loans and mortgages failing due to too much regulation, I cant see this arguement at all. It is greed and the desire for the higher profit (no matter what the cost) combined with Regan and Bush era deregulation that ruined banks and the credit market-----although just to blame them is unfair, as it is a HUUUUUUUGE picture issues with a lot of variables.And indeed squirrel, its best to just agree with some people who have a real need for that "ego boost", cant debate anything when someone cant fathom the idea they may ever be wrong.

PuroFreak

It's funny, because you both always argue that there has been less governemnt involvment, but neither of you have pointed to how that is true. There are hundreds and thousands of new government regulation on the housing market since the 70's, how can you honestly call that de-regulation? That is what doesn't make sense to me... Same goes for the auto industry.

Vulchor

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.-----Bertrand Russell

PuroFreak

Vulchor:

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.-----Bertrand Russell

But when a man is offered no evidence, he tends to think it's a load of B.S. and there still has not been any evidence that any industry has actually had any de-regulation. There may have been some regualtions done away with, but when you take away one and add 10... That is hardly de-regulation.

gmill880

PuroFreak

Vulchor

If they have no money, are there no prisons? Are there no poor houses? If it should be they die, then get to it....and help decrease the surplus population-----------Ebeneezer Scrooge

Vulchor

PuroFreak

Vulchor:

If they have no money, are there no prisons? Are there no poor houses? If it should be they die, then get to it....and help decrease the surplus population-----------Ebeneezer Scrooge

Thats about what I expected. You have nothing to back up your case so you make some irrelevant quote that is in no way productive in the debate. Regulation is what has choked this country into the trouble it is in.

Vulchor

You can do a search as easy as I can and find dozens of links about the problems and amount of deregulation----then youll say every one is wrong and your souces are right......yeah, let me waste my time on trying to influence your close minded beliefs.....lol, sure.

PuroFreak

Vulchor:

You can do a search as easy as I can and find dozens of links about the problems and amount of deregulation----then youll say every one is wrong and your souces are right......yeah, let me waste my time on trying to influence your close minded beliefs.....lol, sure.

Oh, so you expect me to do the things you try to do... Like discredit any source someone puts forth like you did with the story from the GOP website... So this is a whole do as I say not as I do type of thing huh?

Vulchor

yes, yes----thats the ticket!!!!!lol