E-cig and cigar regulations...

Jetmech_63

brianetz1

Gray4lines

kuzi16

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webmost

sig HEIL!

raisindot

Contrary to all the fearmongering perpetrated by the cigar companies, nothing in these regulations restricts the trade and marketing of e-cigarettes or cigars at all. I don't see anything wrong with requiring manufacturers to disclose substances (particularly chemicals) used in the manufacture of tobacco-based products. Right now, for example, I have no idea whether the cigar I'm smoking may contain all sorts of cancerous chemicals used both in its manufacture and in connection with it. Considering that countries like Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic are far less regulated than the U.S. is, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we're smoking tobacco that's been laced with DDT and other cancer-causing chemicals used in pesticides and fertilizers. I probably wouldn't go so far as requiring disclosure of the chemicals on every single cigar, but I don't think there would be anything wrong in disclosing this information on, say, a box, the wrapping around a mazo or on a pack.

brianetz1

raisindot:

Contrary to all the fearmongering perpetrated by the cigar companies, nothing in these regulations restricts the trade and marketing of e-cigarettes or cigars at all. I don't see anything wrong with requiring manufacturers to disclose substances (particularly chemicals) used in the manufacture of tobacco-based products. Right now, for example, I have no idea whether the cigar I'm smoking may contain all sorts of cancerous chemicals used both in its manufacture and in connection with it. Considering that countries like Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic are far less regulated than the U.S. is, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we're smoking tobacco that's been laced with DDT and other cancer-causing chemicals used in pesticides and fertilizers. I probably wouldn't go so far as requiring disclosure of the chemicals on every single cigar, but I don't think there would be anything wrong in disclosing this information on, say, a box, the wrapping around a mazo or on a pack.

the issue is that the bigger manufacturers this doesn't hurt as much because they own their own farms. Where this hurts is the little boutique and short batch cigar companies who hunt for specific tobacco to blend into a cigar. The process of the FDA approving each and every leaf of tobacco that is put in their cigars would be cost and time prohibitive. AT least that is what is being said by the smaller companies like Crowned Heads, Viaje, and even Tatuaje. Basically it would mean that those companies would only be able to come out with 1 new offering a year, would all but kill the LEs and it would be much harder for a smaller company to get going because if they swung and missed with their first cigar the money and time spent getting the company off the ground would basically kill the company.

Bob Luken

brianetz1

raisindot

brianetz1

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ShadowInTheMoon

Sounds like its gonna be cheaper to start a farm in my backyard

humanash

raisindot

I just want to point out the irony here that, considering the amount of skepticism many of us here (on all sides of the spectrum) have about the oversized influence of lobbyists and Big Money on the political process, it's the cigar and tobacco lobby that is going to be greasing the wheels of the bureaucrats and Congressmen to come up with an outcome favorable to us consumers.

Amos Umwhat

humanash

Bob Luken

Option two doesn't sound so bad since they wound generally exempt hand made cigars except they are way off on the price. There are plenty of "whole leaf wrapped" "mostly long filler" that are half that price and less. I understand that they (FDA) want cigars to be priced too high for kids to get but dammit, I like my daily deal $4.oo cigars and I ain't no kid.

SleevePlz

Bob Luken:

The biggest change to cigar enthusiasts would be if the FDA gets this power of oversight and final approval of "ingredients" for new products. Within the past year, how many new cigar blends have been brought to market? Lots of them. How many new blends will be brought to market in the year after the FDA gets to call the shots on "ingredients"?

Aren't the ingredients of cigars just "tobacco"? Does the FDA care which priming, which farm, how long it is fermented, etc (i.e. the things that make it different to us)? Maybe I'm wrong, but the "ingredients" are simply tobacco, right?

raisindot

SleevePlz:

Bob Luken:

The biggest change to cigar enthusiasts would be if the FDA gets this power of oversight and final approval of "ingredients" for new products. Within the past year, how many new cigar blends have been brought to market? Lots of them. How many new blends will be brought to market in the year after the FDA gets to call the shots on "ingredients"?

Aren't the ingredients of cigars just "tobacco"? Does the FDA care which priming, which farm, how long it is fermented, etc (i.e. the things that make it different to us)? Maybe I'm wrong, but the "ingredients" are simply tobacco, right?

I think that's sort of the point of this whole thing---to get disclosure on what really goes into these things. I mean, most people used to think that the only thing in cigarettes were tobacco, too...turns out cigarettes have all kinds of totally nasty chemicals in them. Problem here is that even if a cigar is only tobacco, none of us really know what the tobacco farmers and rollers use when they're making them--for all we know, they could be lacing using all kinds of cancerous fertilizers and insecticides in the tobacco fields and using all kinds of chemicals in the harvesting and rolling process. And god knows how often and if the rollers wash their hands...I think smoking anything involves a great denial of cognitive dissonance no matter what it is....

0patience

Bob Luken

SleevePlz:

Bob Luken:

The biggest change to cigar enthusiasts would be if the FDA gets this power of oversight and final approval of "ingredients" for new products. Within the past year, how many new cigar blends have been brought to market? Lots of them. How many new blends will be brought to market in the year after the FDA gets to call the shots on "ingredients"?

Aren't the ingredients of cigars just "tobacco"? Does the FDA care which priming, which farm, how long it is fermented, etc (i.e. the things that make it different to us)? Maybe I'm wrong, but the "ingredients" are simply tobacco, right?

I remember a while back someone was interviewing Rocky Patel and he was warning that if the FDA got these new regs passed, each time a new blend was introduced the feds would treat it as an entirely separate "new" product and the new blend would undergo a separate application and review for approval with the FDA. He made it sound like it would be an extensive scientific procedure to examine the unique properties and quantities of things like nicotine content for each blend. Similar to food labels.

perkinke

phobicsquirrel

Guess cigars will continue to be screwed with until they are illegal. Well good news is I probably have enough cigars to last me the rest of my life so any new changes can go f themselves. I do find this stuff too tiresome. Be nice if the govt spent this much effort on gas and oil companies or banks that tanked our economy........ But no, e cigarettes and cigars are a clear and present danger.

ShadowInTheMoon

I do think its funny they will let you smoke Pot in Colorado but "we have to regulate cigars"

Amos Umwhat

phobicsquirrel:

Guess cigars will continue to be screwed with until they are illegal. Well good news is I probably have enough cigars to last me the rest of my life so any new changes can go f themselves. I do find this stuff too tiresome. Be nice if the govt spent this much effort on gas and oil companies or banks that tanked our economy........ But no, e cigarettes and cigars are a clear and present danger.

Too true, and let's not forget those insurance giants, the real power behind it all.

raisindot

brianetz1

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jwalker37

Latest news, links to FDA rulemaking text (241 pages!), and map of taxes and regs by state here: Tobacco Legislation Action Center