Ethics question

curtiscr79

Ken Light

Would you consider reaching out to the owners before the general membership? Maybe they know people and know it won't happen. Maybe they're planning to pay fines with those $500 fees. Who knows? Get the full story.

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Ken Light:

Would you consider reaching out to the owners before the general membership? Maybe they know people and know it won't happen. Maybe they're planning to pay fines with those $500 fees. Who knows? Get the full story.

Yup, get a copy of the ordnance, and approach the club. Ken may be on to something. $500/ea is quite a bit, for a cigar lounge. However, if the club is willing to fork over the cash, to shoo away the "law" then...there ya go.

Ken Light

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Ken Light:

Would you consider reaching out to the owners before the general membership? Maybe they know people and know it won't happen. Maybe they're planning to pay fines with those $500 fees. Who knows? Get the full story.

Yup, get a copy of the ordnance, and approach the club. Ken may be on to something. $500/ea is quite a bit, for a cigar lounge. However, if the club is willing to fork over the cash, to shoo away the "law" then...there ya go.

Hahaha, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about bribes...only implied they might have the right friends...

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Ken Light:

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Ken Light:

Would you consider reaching out to the owners before the general membership? Maybe they know people and know it won't happen. Maybe they're planning to pay fines with those $500 fees. Who knows? Get the full story.

Yup, get a copy of the ordnance, and approach the club. Ken may be on to something. $500/ea is quite a bit, for a cigar lounge. However, if the club is willing to fork over the cash, to shoo away the "law" then...there ya go.

Hahaha, I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about bribes...only implied they might have the right friends...

LOL, I didn't mean bribes. Guess I worded that wrong. I meant the $500 is in place, to take care of any fines incurred, while you are using the facility.

curtiscr79

CharlieHeis

Any "big mouths" in the group? Casually mention it and let them get the word out. You aren't the bad guy then and then word still gets out.

Cigary

Sounds like not enough info esp. when any business needs a license to operate and in order to know what that is one will need to make a trip to city hall and find out. A fine usually comes with something being reported and then investigated. I knew of a place in a small town in Massachusettes where the place got raided at the busiest time of day to maximize the fines. Even a quick call to City Hall can clear this up.

Amos Umwhat

Why in the world would a private club not be allowed to let its members smoke? "Private", not public, the ordinance should not apply. Or, not in a FREE country, anyway. Just my opinion.

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Amos Umwhat:

Why in the world would a private club not be allowed to let its members smoke? "Private", not public, the ordinance should not apply. Or, not in a FREE country, anyway. Just my opinion.

Free country! WHERE?!?!?

Amos Umwhat

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Amos Umwhat:

Why in the world would a private club not be allowed to let its members smoke? "Private", not public, the ordinance should not apply. Or, not in a FREE country, anyway. Just my opinion.

Free country! WHERE?!?!?

Well, used to be, or, at least some of us thought so.

Ken Light

Amos Umwhat

This is a shame. Once again, what's right, and what's legal are not the same thing. Sigh.....

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Amos Umwhat:

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Amos Umwhat:

Why in the world would a private club not be allowed to let its members smoke? "Private", not public, the ordinance should not apply. Or, not in a FREE country, anyway. Just my opinion.

Free country! WHERE?!?!?

Well, used to be, or, at least some of us thought so.

Used to be, and could be again....but....yeah, we won't get into that

blutattoo

Jeez louise, I thought CA was bad about smoking in public. Although it would seem a clubhouse would be excluded from the public location, you'd probably have to sue and get a judgement to get that language removed. Until that time, fair or not, you'd probably still be subject to the fine. You could just post that language from the new ordinance and emphasis those categories listed in the ordinance on your groups Facebook page. That way people have the information and they can do with it what they want. Who knows it may spark some action from your group to approach your city council about a clarification to exclude cigar clubs or lounges.

curtiscr79

Ken Light

Amos Umwhat:

This is a shame. Once again, what's right, and what's legal are not the same thing. Sigh.....

Right, I mean what's most wrong is the law, but that's kind of a moot point.

perkinke

Looks like black letter law to me, not really any gray area. I'd suggest you use your group to organize and ask for an amendment to the ordinance to omit the private club reference. I doubt it will work but that's your only real avenue.

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rsherman24

I would agree with casually dropping some questions to people in the group. Up here in PA its really only banned where food is served. Seems like a strict law, but not worth 500 for a cigar. I would ask some members if they have read the law and what they think in conversation. It is bound to peak someone's attention and get it rolling.

raisindot

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