Gays in the Military---Dont Ask, Dont Tell
Vulchor
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I believe I am for the repeal of this for many different reasons. But, I have also heard some arguements as to why Dont Ask Dont Tell should remain...and have thought it was at least a decent argument. Curious as to what the BOTLs here may feel about this...especially you guys who served in the military and may know this first hand. I have no ultra strong opinion on this, but would like some opinions and maybe some devils advocate even as a way to explore this further if anyone is interested.
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"You know, I used to feel that way too until I found out that Alexander the Great was a ***. Talk about gays in the military! "
http://washingtonindependent.com/75542/mullen-and-gates-forcefully-back-repeal-of-militarys-gay-ban
As for my thoughts on gays openly serving in the military: I am 100% in favor of the repeal of DADT. I do not have to hide aspects of my life from the military as a straight man, therefore a gay man should not have to either. It's not a very complicated issue logically/morally. I think the issue was hit right on the head earlier in this thread. There are policies in place that forbid males and females from sharing a common living space for a variety of reasons. While I have absolutely no problem living or showering with a gay man I can see where some people will. I do believe that this is due to unjustified prejudices and ignorance, because the gay mind is the exact same mind as the straight mind. Not all women are attractive to me, and so I have to believe that not all men are attractive to gay men. I do not feel it is an issue of gay men being attracted to the straight men they work with, because that happens every day. I feel it is an issue of not understanding and not accepting that gay people are the EXACT same as straight people, and even if that's impossible to grasp there is still a job and a mission that is VASTLY more important than if your bunk mate enjoys watching you in the shower or not.
I am in the Army, living in North Carolina, and one of my best friends is gay and serves with me. To me, it makes no difference if this person is attracted to me or not. What does matter to me though, is that I know that this person will do whatever it takes to make sure that we accomplish our mission. If I am about to be harmed, I know this person will do everything in their power, including give up their own life, to save mine.
This is true, the far upper echelon does support it. However i dont think there are two people farther removed from the deckplates in our whole chain. Mullen is a decent guy, but he always has his string pulled by someone. Proof is the uniform i'm wearing now...this hideous blue camo pattern that we bastardized from the Marines which serves no pupose other than enhancing our "Warrior Image"....so much for our sailor image....i digress....
The deckplates are mostly in favor(about 65/35 ish from what ive seen) but some of the older, old school guys still have a problem with it. The Navy is known for it's close quarters and severe lack of privacy. When you shower on a ship, your gonna see some nuts and ass, it happens, comes with this job. Crew privacy and comfort is an afterthought of building a warship, just the way it is and always has been. And having an openly gay person in that setting will make other uncomfortable. Will gay males be berthed and shower with the females? If so ever swingin d!ck on the boat will become "gay" and now you just made the whole ship coed....so that option is out. So do you give them their own berthing and shower, well, that takes rearranging the compartments on a ship, something that is set when the ship is designed....then someone may claim segregation...unequal this or that....so that option is out. There are currently a lot of gays serving in the military. Dont think for a second there arent, i'd comfortably say there is atleast 1 or 2 in every command at my base. But for the non-gays as long as the lid is on it, there is no problem(speaking from those who do have a problem with it). Kinda like a "we dont have to deal with it if we dont know about it". I also goes against certain peoples religious beliefs. Well, so does eating pork for muslims, and we have muslims in the military. Doesnt stop me from sitting beside him and eating bacon.
These are not opinions of mine, these are the hard facts that the Navy is looking at. They are building a solution because they know the day is coming, but that day almost got circumvented and rammed down our throats before anyone was ready. As for my opinions, i'll keep my opinions to cigars. Sadly there are those on this board who "Oh yeah but" and "But what if" things in an effort to raise hate and discontent.
Besides....dont we have better things to worry about....like fighting wars....you know...all that other "military stuff"....
EJ, let me say (as I know you're military), thank you for a great response and very well thought out---I very much enjoyed reading your view.